http://www.macedonians.com.au/forum/ Articles updating the current situation on the Macedonian issue.. en Sat, 04 Sep 2010 18:22:54 GMT vBulletin 60 http://www.macedonians.com.au/forum/images/misc/rss.png http://www.macedonians.com.au/forum/ http://www.macedonians.com.au/forum/showthread.php?11746-%CE%A7%CE%AC%CE%BD%CE%B5%CE%B9-%CF%84%CE%B7-%CE%BC%CE%AC%CF%87%CE%B7-%CF%84%CE%B7%CF%82-%CF%80%CE%B1%CF%84%CE%AD%CE%BD%CF%84%CE%B1%CF%82-%CE%B7-FYROM&goto=newpost Thu, 02 Sep 2010 16:57:21 GMT http://taxalia.blogspot.com/2010/09/fyrom-o.html
Χάνει τη μάχη της πατέντας η FYROM. O Κουσκουβέλης το κατάλαβε νωρίς. Οι άλλοι;


Στο πολύ ουσιαστικό ζήτημα της κατοχύρωσης της λέξης "Macedonian" διεθνώς αναφέρεται εκτεταμένα σε κεντρικό άρθρο της η Novamakedonija των Σκοπίων.

Ο δημοσιογράφος επικρίνει την κυβέρνηση, γιατί οι "Έλληνες εργάστηκαν εντατικά, καταθέτουν στον Ευρωπαϊκό Οργανισμό Διπλωμάτων Ευρεσιτεχνίας , πολλές ευρεσιτεχνίες, ενώ εμείς (ΠΓΔΜ) καμία. Έτσι κατοχύρωσαν οι Έλληνες την ονομασία "Μακεδονικό" για ένα κρασί τους στην Ευρωπαϊκή Ένωση και μείς δεν κάναμε τίποτε για να το αποτρέψουμε".

Το άρθρο είναι πολύ ενδιαφέρον, σε γενικές γραμμές, θεωρεί αδιανόητη τη χρήση της λέξης "μακεδονικό" σε ελληνικά προϊόντα... (και μεγάλη αποτυχία των Σκοπιανών πολιτικών που τολμάμε εμείς οι Έλληνες να βαφτίζουμε "μακεδονικό" κάποιο κρασί ή χαλβά ή κασέρι).

Αν και δεν πιστεύουμε ότι υπάρχουν στην Ελλάδα πλέον, άνθρωποι που να μην κατάλαβαν τι ακριβώς θέλουν οι Σκοπιανοί, ρίξτε μια ματιά στο άρθρο εδώ (ή στην υποτυπώδη μετάφρασή του εδώ).

και θυμηθείτε τη μεγάλη επιτυχία του Πανεπιστημίου Μακεδονίας και του πρώην (από χθες) πρύτανη Ηλία Κουσκουβέλη, εδώ ]]> Macedonian Politics and News HELLENICLEAGUE http://www.macedonians.com.au/forum/showthread.php?11746-%CE%A7%CE%AC%CE%BD%CE%B5%CE%B9-%CF%84%CE%B7-%CE%BC%CE%AC%CF%87%CE%B7-%CF%84%CE%B7%CF%82-%CF%80%CE%B1%CF%84%CE%AD%CE%BD%CF%84%CE%B1%CF%82-%CE%B7-FYROM http://www.macedonians.com.au/forum/showthread.php?11729-Ivanof-steps-over-the-line&goto=newpost Mon, 23 Aug 2010 22:10:15 GMT http://history-of-macedonia.com/wordpress/2010/08/23/rezili-ivanov-melos-europaikou-koinovouliou-apeilei-surei-dikasthria/ Kairos itan na tous... http://history-of-macedonia.com/word...ei-dikasthria/

Kairos itan na tous paroun prefa kai kapoi aloi...

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Εξαιρετικά αρνητική τροπή παίρνει για τον Σκοπιανό πρόεδρο το θέμα με πρόσφατη δήλωση του που ενέπλεκε το όνομα της Ντόρις Πακ, Μέλους του Ευρωπαικού Κοινοβουλίου.
Σύμφωνα με ρεπορτάζ του Σκοπιανού Kanal 5, η Γερμανίδα πολιτικός όχι μόνο διέψευσε κατηγορηματικά τους ισχυρισμούς του Σκοπιανού Προέδρου αλλά απειλεί να τον σύρει στα δικαστήρια αν δεν ανακαλέσει.
“Δεν έχω ποτέ γνωρίσει τον πρόεδρο Ιβάνοφ και δεν έχω ποτέ συζητήσει οτιδήποτε για να δεχτεί μια πρόταση διαπραγματεύσεων για την είσοδο της χώρας σε ΝΑΤΟ/ΕΕ με το προσωρινό προσωνύμιο FYROM,” δήλωσε η Ντόρις Πακ, “αδειάζοντας” ουσιαστικά τον Σκοπιανό Πρόεδρο.
Η Γερμανίδα πολιτικός απείλησε να πάει τον Ιβάνοφ στα δικαστήρια εάν δεν ανακαλέσει τον ισχυρισμό του.
“Έχω ήδη ζητήσει να ανακαλέσει την δήλωση, γιατί απλά δεν έχω πει τίποτα τέτοιο. Δεν του έχω Δεν του έχω μιλήσει και δεν μπορεί να αναφέρει το όνομα μου. Εαν δεν ανακαλέσει την δήλωση, θα τα πούμε στο δικαστήριο. Δεν έχει σημασία σε ποιό κράτος είναι Πρόεδρος, δεν επιτρέπω σε κανένα να συκοφαντεί το όνομα μου για προσωπικό ή πολιτικό συμφέρον.
μιλήσει και δεν μπορεί να αναφέρει το όνομα μου. Εαν δεν ανακαλέσει την δήλωση, θα τα πούμε στο δικαστήριο. Δεν έχει σημασία σε ποιό κράτος είναι Πρόεδρος, δεν επιτρέπω σε κανένα να συκοφαντεί το όνομα μου για προσωπικό ή πολιτικό συμφέρον,” ανάφερε το Μέλος του Ευρωπαικού Κοινοβουλίου σε τηλεφωνική επικοινωνία με το Κανάλι 5 των Σκοπίων.
Ο Ιβάνοφ είχε πρόσφατα αναφέρει σε μια συνέντευξη τύπου ότι η χώρα είναι σε μεγάλη πίεση για την λύση του ζητήματος της ονομασίας. Σαν μια χαμένη ευκαιρία, ανάφερε σχετικά την πληροφορία που υποτίθεται πήρε από την Ντόρις Πακ, ότι η χώρα θα μπορούσε να είχε τελειώσει το ζήτημα 15 χρόνια πριν. ]]> Macedonian Politics and News HELLENICLEAGUE http://www.macedonians.com.au/forum/showthread.php?11729-Ivanof-steps-over-the-line http://www.macedonians.com.au/forum/showthread.php?11728-%CE%91%CE%BD%CE%B1%CF%84%CE%B1%CF%81%CE%B1%CF%87%CE%B7-%CF%83%CF%84%CE%B7-FYROM-%CE%B1%CF%80%CF%8C-%CE%B4%CE%B7%CE%BB%CF%8E%CF%83%CE%B5%CE%B9%CF%82-%CF%84%CE%BF%CF%85-%CE%BD%CE%AD%CE%BF%CF%85-%CF%80%CF%81%CE%AD%CF%83%CE%B2%CE%B7-%CF%84%CE%B7%CF%82&goto=newpost Mon, 23 Aug 2010 17:06:01 GMT http://taxalia.blogspot.com/2010/08/fyrom_23.html

Αναταραχή έχουν προκαλέσει στο εσωτερικό της ΠΓΔΜ οι δηλώσεις του νέου πρέσβη της χώρας στο ΝΑΤΟ, δηλώσεις οι οποίες προκάλεσαν και την παρέμβαση των ΗΠΑ. Συγκεκριμένα σε ακρόασή του στην Επιτροπή Εξωτερικών Υποθέσεων της Βουλής της FYROM ο νέος πρέσβης Μάρτιν Τρένεφσκι είπε, «ότι θα αμφισβητήσει την αρχή της ομοφωνίας και της αλληλεγγύης εντός του ΝΑΤΟ, αναφορικά με την απόφαση της Συνόδου Κορυφής της Συμμαχίας, τον Απρίλιο του 2008, στο Βουκουρέστι, να μην επιδοθεί πρόσκληση για ένταξη της ΠΓΔΜ στο ΝΑΤΟ μέχρι την επίλυση της εκκρεμότητας της ονομασίας.» Η δήλωση αυτή προκάλεσε θύελλα στο εσωτερικό πολιτικό σκηνικό, ενώ και το State Department ζήτησε εξηγήσεις από τη Σκοπιανή Κυβέρνηση για όσα ειπώθηκαν. ]]> Macedonian Politics and News HELLENICLEAGUE http://www.macedonians.com.au/forum/showthread.php?11728-%CE%91%CE%BD%CE%B1%CF%84%CE%B1%CF%81%CE%B1%CF%87%CE%B7-%CF%83%CF%84%CE%B7-FYROM-%CE%B1%CF%80%CF%8C-%CE%B4%CE%B7%CE%BB%CF%8E%CF%83%CE%B5%CE%B9%CF%82-%CF%84%CE%BF%CF%85-%CE%BD%CE%AD%CE%BF%CF%85-%CF%80%CF%81%CE%AD%CF%83%CE%B2%CE%B7-%CF%84%CE%B7%CF%82 http://www.macedonians.com.au/forum/showthread.php?11726-Arben-Xhaferi-Macedonia-finds-itself-in-cirkulus-viciosis&goto=newpost Mon, 23 Aug 2010 13:47:14 GMT http://www.focus-fen.net/index.php?id=f2393 23 August 2010 | 15:59 | FOCUS News Agency Arben Xhaferi,... http://www.focus-fen.net/index.php?id=f2393

23 August 2010 | 15:59 | FOCUS News Agency
Arben Xhaferi, founder and honorary chairperson of the Democratic Party of Albanians (DPA), in interview to FOCUS News Agency

FOCUS: Mr. Xhaferi, how do you evaluate the Ohrid Framework Agreement nine years after its signing?
Arben Xhaferi: I’m afraid I’m getting a little bit annoying when discussing the issue because everything has been already said about it.
There are several integral parameters in the documents, which are still open – the use of Albanian language, Albanians’ fair participation in the state institutions.
I have talked about all topics concerning the agreement many times and I’m afraid I’m becoming annoying.
I can add the suspension of the amnesty act, too.

FOCUS: What would you say about the current interethnic situation in Macedonia?
Arben Xhaferi: As far as the interethnic relations are concerned, I hope that the country will find a formula for the functioning of the institutions and of the state itself.
The interethnic relations in Macedonia are fragile and they may explode any time. So far the international factor is some guarantee that these relations will not turn into a factor of destabilization and that some of the major burning issues concerning these relations will be solved.
I think that the current government is not interested in certain issues concerning not only the Albanians but the Macedonians, too. These are the economic issues, the EU and NATO integration. The situation is getting more and more absurd with every passing day. I believe that the government wants to take advantage of this situation so as not to solve certain issues such as positions, relations with neighboring countries and interethnic relations.
According to me, Prime Minister Nikola Gruevski is challenging the patients of both Albanians and Macedonians, as well as of the international community. This situation can be very dangerous but I hope that we will not witness some destabilization.

FOCUS: What do you think about the search for ancient roots – is it some strategy for the name dispute with Greece or rather a crisis of identity?
Arben Xhaferi: Me personally, I thin that the matter in point concerns a crisis of politics. This is an argument enough for certain political parties and politicians to make certain claims. I think that these tendencies open huge question. So far they have not found support anywhere. The history of a country is being identified with the history of an ancient community – these two things are incompatible.
The history of certain territory is one thing, while the history of a nation – something completely different. There are no ancient roots, as there is no consistency in the antiquity. This will be possible only if they manage to prove that there is some consistency since the ancient times till now and that there is some tradition. So far there is no evidence that a nation has any connections with antiquity. I think that politics cannot construe the history. I understand that politicians have crucial role in the creation of ethnic identity. However, speaking about historical processes there is a different idea when it comes to establishment of identity. It is not always ethnic, it can also be political.
The Americans are a new nation, which is established on the grounds of political principles. Macedonians do not stake on the thesis of political identity but rather look for some ethnic continuance with elements that cannot be found. However, following this road, they lose both time and the meaning of the political existence. There is nothing bad to build up identity on the grounds of political roots.

FOCUS: Can Macedonians overcome the syndrome of looking for private identity?
Arben Xhaferi: I think that Macedonia should do it, as it has no other choice. We are losing time and the process of stabilization of the country is getting more complex. No one understands the policy of the government of Prime Minister Nikola Gruevski. No one can back such a policy.

FOCUS: Are Albanians in Macedonia interested in the name dispute and to what extent are their interested affected?
Arben Xhaferi: So far the Albanians have proved they show understanding for the big issues produced by the Macedonians themselves.
You asked about identity and how it is formed. We have always been honest in this field and do not abuse this weakness of the Macedonian governments. We were tolerant towards these demands and did not abuse the claims of the Albanian identity. We do not abuse the crisis of Macedonian identity. We were constructive towards our compatriots of Macedonian origin no matter that they are constantly trying to cause harm to the Albanian identity. I speak about the attitude towards certain persons, such as Mother Teresa, Skanderbeg and other persons of the Albanian history.
Every attempt to usurp these persons, whom have been proved to be of Albanian origin, complicates the situation even further.
They want for Albanians to show disloyalty to certain claims of the Macedonians. I do not understand this policy of inciting a crisis by making interpretations of historical figures.

FOCUS: How would you comment on the ruling of the International Court of Justice in The Hague on Kosovo’s independence?
Arben Xhaferi: I think that the Serbs and Serbian politicians did not mean that this strong historical process will fall upon all fields of Serbian politics. This turned to be a clash between the idea of freedom for the citizens of al country and Serbia’s actions. This principle clashes with another principle of the international law, which does not allow changes of the frontiers.
It is a technical issues – it does not allow forcible establishment of countries but at the same time it does not prohibit all nations’ right of freedom.
Since 1945, the number of UN member states has increased drastically from 50 to probably 200 nowadays. This means that the UN does not ban the establishment of new states but controls this process in some constructive way.
The ruling of the International Court of Justice was expected because in general the UN is not against the freedom of nations.
I think that the Serbs had some privileged position during Yugoslavia’s breakup, as they came into an inheritance. It was a mistake of the international factor, as Serbia’s right to become heir of this country should have been conditioned. It this had been done then, the situation would have been completely different.
That is why I think that court’s judgment is the final diversion of Serbia’s claims.
Boris Tadic’s rhetoric is identical to that of the people who emerged during the crisis in Yugoslavia. This is not some political, ontological rhetoric.
It speaks about some former states, former borders and former relations. It is not political. It speaks about wrong interpretation of the history and the historical processes.

FOCUS: Is Yugoslavia’s breakup over after Kosovo’s independence?
Arben Xhaferi: I have always tried to say that the processes are not some easy category. Relations and positions are constantly changing. During the WWII the Serbs backed the winner and obtained the right to establish the Yugoslavia they want to. However, citizens themselves did not like this Yugoslavia. They missed the chance to establish a country that is stable and well-functioning. This Yugoslavia was functional.
However, Serbian politicians continue building some nonfunctional country.

FOCUS: Is there a risk of new fragmentation of Serbia – in the Southern part of the country, for instance – Presevo, Medvedja, Bujanovac?
Arben Xhaferi: This is up to the policy of destabilization and fragmentation of Serbia, as they open these processes for themselves.
I think that Republika Srpska will take advantage of the situation around Kosovo but it is just some game of words. They become victims of their own wrong visions. They are aware that their independence is impossible but because of the everyday political goals they create unfriendly relations with the international factor.
It seems as if these politicians do not know that both the US and Europe have phenomenal experts in such situations and they do not make mistakes.

FOCUS: Is there a risk of new conflicts in Macedonia?
Arben Xhaferi: Everything is possible when there is a lack of firm decision. I think there will be a process of tectonic movement in politics, disloyalty of the citizens in terms of certain decisions but no tragic consequences.
This concerns politicians, as there is a crisis in the political life.

FOCUS: What will be Macedonia’s future as a multinational country?
Arben Xhaferi: Macedonia can function only as a multinational country. If this approach is not changed, Macedonian politicians will face the cirkulus viciosis. In order to allow Macedonia function as a country, there is a need of respect towards the multiethnic character of the society, which requires giving up on the privileges so as to apply it fairly. In the modern societies the functionality is turning into a supreme standard. If this is not done, there will be other solutions… ]]> Macedonian Politics and News HELLENICLEAGUE http://www.macedonians.com.au/forum/showthread.php?11726-Arben-Xhaferi-Macedonia-finds-itself-in-cirkulus-viciosis http://www.macedonians.com.au/forum/showthread.php?11706-Opposition-Slams-FYROM-PM-Over-Anti-NATO-Comments&goto=newpost Thu, 12 Aug 2010 07:57:00 GMT By Sinisa Jakov Marusic FYROM PM Nikola Gruevski is harming the image of the country by tolerating anti-NATO and EU statements from within his own... By Sinisa Jakov Marusic

FYROM PM Nikola Gruevski is harming the image of the country by tolerating anti-NATO and EU statements from within his own ranks, the main opposition party has said.

Gordan Georgiev, Vice President of the Social Democrats, SDSM, called on the PM to distance himself from remarks about NATO made by the newly appointed FYROM ambassador to the alliance, Martin Trenevski.

Speaking in front of national legislators in Parliament on July 29, Trenevski had said that NATO was inflicting “political and economic aggression upon our country" by giving support to FYROM’s southern neighbour Greece in the long-standing "name" dispute.

The SDSM accused the PM of being complicit in creating NATO and EU scepticism through his silence over the rhetoric.

Georgiev told a press conference on Tuesday: "The ruling party is the main actor working against the strategic national interests of FYROM.

“We have not heard the PM once restrain himself from such atmosphere and promoted stands.”

Gruevski’s centre-right VMRO DPMNE, which has promoted and supported Trenevski, rejected the critism as an attempt by the opposition to distort the truth.

“VMRO DPMNE has done much to bring the country closer to these organisations by supporting the continuous reform process”, the party said in a press statement.

In his remarks to parliament, Trenevski said the Bucharest summit conclusion in 2008, in which FYROM is asked to first settle the dispute with Greece before entering NATO, was a “bureaucratic” decision that later turned into a "a political position of the alliance" and he would seek support among member countries to change it.

Opposition legislators labelled Trenevski's position "unrealisitc" and "radical", creating the wrongfull impression that FYROM could somehow override the NATO principle of solidarity and enter NATO without making a compromise with Greece.

The previous diplomatic practice of NATO has shown that it is unlikely to reject Trenevski’s credentials, despite his comments.

The "name" row has seethed for nearly two decades, with Athens demanding Skopje change its country's official name, Republic of Macedonia, arguing that it promotes territorial claims against its own northern province, also called Macedonia.

As well as Greece using its veto to block FYROM’s entry to NATO, it has also used the unresolved issue to bar Macedonia’s progress towards EU accession.

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